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 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:03 am | |
| If you look at the link I provided as part of my inspiration, I'm not looking for chemicals or explosives. What I'm looking for is something you could make with a bit of skill in electronics and a clear plastic orb to put it in.
Explosives and chemicals are more dangerous and may cause injury to a person if the ignition doesn't go as planned. I know. I've made plenty of smoke bombs that have different durations, colors, smoke coverage and thickness, etc. Sometimes things go wrong and it turns into more of a fireball than a smoke bomb... and I don't plan on burning people's houses down and blowing up their cars to keep burglars and thieves out.
So, a piece of disposable electronics... like throwing a small siren with disorientating lights, that maybe had enough battery power to last for about five or ten minutes, seemed like the next best option.
Also, I say disposable because the whole idea is to throw it while unseen and have it suddenly go off at the person's feet. |
|  | | Sparrow Hero


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:14 am | |
| | TheWhiteSkull wrote: | | Either way, I see no reason why something like this could not be built extremely cheaply; heck, you could probably make one the size of an electronic car-door opener. |
http://www.streetdefender.com/MC-223-S.htm and it's $10 dollars |
|  | | Atlas Member


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:18 am | |
| I guess we all failed with our chemical ideas. Haha. Oh well. Ill keep it in mind. |
|  | | Ironclub Newbie


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:27 am | |
| Chemicals may be fine for someone else so don't throw the idea away. In my particular case I'm looking for electronics instead. |
|  | | Zetaman Admin


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:33 am | |
| | DarkShadow wrote: | *Sighs*
Once again Humans, I will now indulge you all with my keen Shadowy intellect regarding the Grapple Gun dilemma...
Get a paintball gun, the higher powered one would be preferred, a small reel made from a light metal if possible, wire or Spectra cable rope and the grapple hook from the Batman 89 movie, recast into a stronger metal like steel or maybe an alloy of some kind.
You can launch it to the side of a building and then use a carbine hand pulley to work your way up. Forget the motorized ones for now, even though there are some good prototype out there, the issue of bulk, weight and speed need to be considered.
Questions and comments are welcomed.
DarkShadow out |
Talk about the mountain coming to Mohammad... I'm going to put the grappling hook theory to the test for my next blog... thanks. I will not be recasting a reel but I will try to use a grappling hook of some kind in a city. _________________ "I heard him yell nobody gets to eat my wastefullness!." -Master Legend about White Skull... sort of.
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|  | | Ironclub Newbie


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:32 pm | |
| I'm glad someone's putting it to the test. |
|  | | Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:00 pm | |
| After many unsuccessful field tests, I think I'm finally closing in on a version of this that could work. Just as long as you only walk on completely flat ground at all times. Hmm.  |
|  | | Atlas Member


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:49 pm | |
| | ZETAMAN wrote: | | DarkShadow wrote: | *Sighs*
Once again Humans, I will now indulge you all with my keen Shadowy intellect regarding the Grapple Gun dilemma...
Get a paintball gun, the higher powered one would be preferred, a small reel made from a light metal if possible, wire or Spectra cable rope and the grapple hook from the Batman 89 movie, recast into a stronger metal like steel or maybe an alloy of some kind.
You can launch it to the side of a building and then use a carbine hand pulley to work your way up. Forget the motorized ones for now, even though there are some good prototype out there, the issue of bulk, weight and speed need to be considered.
Questions and comments are welcomed.
DarkShadow out |
Talk about the mountain coming to Mohammad... I'm going to put the grappling hook theory to the test for my next blog... thanks. I will not be recasting a reel but I will try to use a grappling hook of some kind in a city. |
Haha. I suppose that real testing would do the trick. Are you planning to see how people would react, or just to see if the entire concept is broken? Either way, good move. |
|  | | The Samaritan Member


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:26 pm | |
| This is not my own invention but what already exist is too large to be logistically sound. I need a tactical periscope that can be taken apart and break down to fit into 1 or 2 of the boxes on my belt. I was thinking That I could use telescope parts, because of their relative size. Also as I understand with the differnt eye pieces I can change magnification. Anyone have any ideas how I should proceed? Thanks in advance. _________________  |
|  | | Atavistik Moderator


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:35 pm | |
| go with binoculars. they have the refractive lenses. using two of these you could easily achieve the desired effect. with some careful casing construction.
also, if I'm not mistaken, it's a simple matter of lengthening or shortening for the focus. the lenses may suffice although shape could be a hassle.... |
|  | | The Samaritan Member


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:44 am | |
| | Atavistik wrote: | go with binoculars. they have the refractive lenses. using two of these you could easily achieve the desired effect. with some careful casing construction.
also, if I'm not mistaken, it's a simple matter of lengthening or shortening for the focus. the lenses may suffice although shape could be a hassle.... |
I have set binoculars but need something to look down over roof ledges and walls without exposing myself. The telescope parts seem any easier way to go plus all the pieces are small enough to fit my belt pouches. Not that the Bino idea wouldn't come up with something probably superior but it seems to involved and beyond my skills and time frame at the moment. I will look into it thought thanks._________________  |
|  | | Silver Sentinel Global Moderator


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:35 am | |
| Aaaaahhhh... You don't mean "telescope", you mean "Periscope". Bro, you want a mirror on an extendable rod then.. They are called inspection mirrors. You can get a hand held one that will fit into your utility belt. I forgot all about the one in my toolbox. they're handy for inspecting inside furnaces, or around corners.
You can use gun blue to take away the chrome shine of the rod.
If you mount it in front of a lens of a binocular, you can in fact see a magnified image around a corner. BUT you must buy a higher quality mirror, not just a reflective metal one. |
|  | | Sparrow Hero


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:11 am | |
| I have an odd obsession with motorcycle helmets. I think they're the coolest. My dream gadget is basically a pimped out helmet. It needs:
1. to allow me to talk and hear clearly 2. to disguise and lower my voice without making it hard to understand me 3. telescopic hearing 4. integrated bluetooth 5. night vision 6. telescopic vision 7. built-in camera 8. to incorporate all of the above without adding too much bulk or compromising the inherent level of physical protection afforded by a motorcycle helmet.
Most of this is just a pipe dream, but some is at least plausible.
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|  | | DarkShadow Hero


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:30 pm | |
| In other words Sparrow, you want my helmet eh? I like the way you think. Masks: www.savephace.somYou can find a Vocoder/Voice changer at most Halloween stores A Bionic Ear/Sound amplifier comes in many forms, including an earbud type. Google it Bluetooth = Self Explanitory Nightvision can be integrated into a button-hole camera, small enough to put in a helmet. Look for them. Telescopic vision - Best thing I can think of is a zoom lens on the button camera module. and of course, a button-hole camera system with a tactical heads-up display. Google is our friend. DarkShadow out |
|  | | Atavistik Moderator


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:28 pm | |
| I mean take the binoculars apart.... there are refractive crystals/lenses inside. like four of them. with these you could probably produce a portable pocket periscope. dude, I need to be clear about these things, sorry. I didn't mean use binoculars.... I may joke alot, but I knew you were talking periscope here.
the crystal/prism/lens things inside binoculars ar the reason you get a clear image. with two you can see around corners. |
|  | | The Samaritan Member


 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:19 am | |
| | Atavistik wrote: | I mean take the binoculars apart.... there are refractive crystals/lenses inside. like four of them. with these you could probably produce a portable pocket periscope. dude, I need to be clear about these things, sorry. I didn't mean use binoculars.... I may joke alot, but I knew you were talking periscope here.
the crystal/prism/lens things inside binoculars ar the reason you get a clear image. with two you can see around corners. |
No need to be sorry I knew what you meant, I just think for my particular needs taking apart a perfectly good pair o bino's is not logistically sound and like I said before just outside my scope of skills, at the moment. But my thanks for the input._________________  |
|  | | AnonTec Newbie

 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:33 pm | |
| I know I am new to the Community but you guys seem to be going over some gadgets and ideas I might be able to help with. I have been thinking about a distraction device for use in quick escape distraction and the ability to alert others in the area. My first idea is based off the devices used in the movie blade 3 (same idea in that it is round portable, bright loud and a duration of a minute or more but it doesn't have to be natural light to burn vampires!) - It includes six Disposable camera flashes (you can get a couple thousand flashes out of some and all the components needed are in a disposable camera) - 3 to 3.6v lithium ion Bios batteries from a mother board they are about on inch wide by about 1/8 inch thick. (one per motherboard I can vouch for at least a ten year life span from an old computer that had not been turned on in ten years but still had the right time and date) - 1 Small Speaker maybe two (old 56k modem speaker is perfect) you know that sound your computer used to make when connecting to the internet when you had dial up (it is called the Handshake) those little guys require low power and anyone who has heard it knows it would deter someone. - A few capacitors (Should only need what is in the disposable camera since I wont have more than one flash going off at the same time) The Flash's would flash one at a time with a delay of the amount of time it takes for the capacitors to fill and discharge which depends on a few factors and can be adjusted with ease. All the things I have listed are things I have sitting around my house, minus the housing which could be made from any insulated material. My thought was a clear apoxy molded into a small sphere other ideas include checking out whats in the toy Isle at my local toy store Im sure i will find a housing that will suffice. I am currently at work but when I can get to my computer I will try to upload some renders of what the concept looks like but i think you get the Gist and they would be cheap to make. and for all intents and purposes it can be made re-chargable. I have also mulled the idea of using LED's but the quick discharge and brightness of the Flash would be more appropriate for situations for this device. some of my inspiration size wise is something that tech nerds have been doing for some time now called "Throwies" all they consist of is a battery some tape and an LED  I have other practical Ideas as well. The build it yourself taser Glove is a good concept and with recent advances in battery tech (simple things that are here and now like corroding the poles in a Lithium Ion battery to increase its capacity and discharge rate while decreasing its charge time) the taser glove is an Idea that I would be love to work towards bring to life. A utility belt with a camera mounted in it is not a far fetched idea either, LED's have been put into clothing and belts for some time to augment your electronic devices IE having your Ipod controls and a graffic equilizer sewn into the material of your clothing. This is a company now that produces ECG or EKG Clothing check it out for yourself http://www.biodevices.pt/ and yes the materials needed to make these are available to the public. and with a little learning about conductive threads, integrating electronics such as small LCD's, LED's, and even listening or sound producing devices such as speakers with amplifier can be integrated into almost any fabric medium. This is the type of stuff that makes me happy to be living at this point in human history. If anyone has suggestions or comments please feel free. and If something I have said Is incorrect don't hesitate to correct me I believe the information I convey to others above all else should be correct. but please make the correction in good nature with tact. Thank you again to the entire RLSH community. I have a wide range of skills abilities and experiences and will do everything in my power to help you all be safer and more effective. I hope I can be of great assistance to the whole RLSH community. Keep Up the good Fight. |
|  | | Victim Moderator

 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:51 pm | |
| You might want to contact The Eye. He has built several LED and laser based 'dazzlers' and distraction devices.
The effectiveness of electronic weaponry has been grossly exaggerated. If you are going to build something and expect it to be effective, aim for SEVERE overkill. Also remember that despite being 'just' sound and lights, you need the attitude that what you have there is a WEAPON. Don't use it on people unless you need to defend against an attack. _________________ "Wearing spandex is not an instant qualifier to stay at my place." - Z
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|  | | AnonTec Newbie

 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:46 pm | |
| You bring up a good point one that I have not spent much time differentiating between such as the difference between a less than lethal "toy" and a less than lethal "Weapon".
The situation would have to be right for this device to work well as most situations are likely not dark enough for the device to be effective and the world is a noisy place so having the device screech some horrible noise might not do anything.
Although I am not entirely willing to throw the drawings away over practicality I still believe a device like this has a purpose in the world world as not just a weapon but as an attention grabbing device.
Thank you for the input I will try to get a hold of The Eye to see what other issues he may have run into with this type of device.
Victim: Thank you for the input. If I could ask for a little more? What would you consider to be too big or too heavy to make this device practical? Would a strong Oder be to its advantage in the real world?
This is exactly what I was looking for so keep em coming anything that you guys can think of that would make this device Real and effective.
Also How About a motion Sensing Orb containing replacable taser cartriges? would there be a practical use for a stationary motion sensing taser? |
|  | | Victim Moderator

 | Subject: Re: Invent a gadget/weapon Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:02 pm | |
| Practicality is a balance of the size and weight of the item and how often you would see a chance to use it.
I'll quote from a posting I made in the Net Guns thread:
"I used this as an example before, but it will work again. A fire extinguisher is a potentially lifesaving item, but if you are alone or with only one or two others, it would not make sense to carry around such a bulky item because the chance you are going to use it is so small. If you have a large team, then a small fire extinguisher in a backpack might be a good idea."
As far as strong odors go, you would have to cross the line into irritants, which are a chemical weapon like pepper spray.
I'd REALLY worry about deploying an automated weapon that fires high voltage barbs into anything it happens to sense passing by.
Another thing you have to think about is if the same job can be done by something smaller, less bulky, or more/less intimidating depending on your intent. It is an added bonus if such things already exist or can be adapted from some other piece of tech. _________________ "Wearing spandex is not an instant qualifier to stay at my place." - Z
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