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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:21 am

Keep in mind that diabetes is not a disease as much as it is a group of symptoms.

I have one of he rarest types of diabetes, it is a genetic disorder that affects the liver. Basically my liver decided to start converting all the fat in my body into sugar a few years back and didn't feel like stopping.

Most people's experiences will probably be different, but when anyone makes that drastic of a change in lifestyle, they really need to monitor things closely.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:21 am

There is some validity in the Vegan lifestyle. Hell, the gladiators of old didn't eat meat at all, mostly leafy greens and grains.

But I do like cheese and I do like meat....
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:22 am

DRock wrote:
There is some validity in the Vegan lifestyle. Hell, the gladiators of old didn't eat meat at all, mostly leafy greens and grains.



That had a lot ot do with refridgeration.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:32 am

Seabear wrote:
DRock wrote:
There is some validity in the Vegan lifestyle. Hell, the gladiators of old didn't eat meat at all, mostly leafy greens and grains.



That had a lot ot do with refridgeration.


Who needs refrigeration when you could have it fresh? *L*

Well, expense was part of it. But the trainers co-related the health of the gladiator with his diet.

(Finally, hours of watching History Channel came in handy!)
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Sun Feb 06, 2011 3:26 am

I try to eat less meat, and more greens, but I'm not a full on vegetarian.
Do I at least get the constellation prize?
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Sun Feb 06, 2011 11:24 am

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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:29 am

My 3 sisters and 1 of my brothers and their famlies are vegan . My other brother and I like bbq and not being hippies , but he and I feed our children mostly meatless meals . I'm not gonna dance to bob marley in a hemp parka at the next global warming rally and I love hot dogs and mickey dees but I want my son to be healthy .
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:54 am

I had a friend in the SCA who was a vegetarian and fought heavy weapons combat. He went back to eating a little meat b/c he found he needed more protein in his diet to keep up his activity level as he got older. He had been vegetarian for a long time, and was finding he was not recovering from workouts as well as he would like. I believe we should eat like our primate cousins and eat mostly plant-produced foods with some meat occasionally, usually as a flavoring.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:43 pm

I follow a very Paleo-style diet: Meat, vegetables and nuts/fruit. It is what our bodies were designed for and I won't apologize for that. Wild meat is preferable to the farmed stuff.

In my own opinion, if one follows a clean lifestyle and tries to stay away from stuff with chemicals and such in it they will do just fine.

Human beings are omnivores; we are not herbivore ruminants. It is best that we use the fuel designed for us and not try to act as though we are something else.

I agree with UA also that many vegetarian people are not the healthiest in the world.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:09 pm

Vegan is difficult for people with thyroid deficiencies! I love tofu, broccoli, and spinach but they are murder on hypothyroid! Must watch that! Protein is a must! Beans are the best source there.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:11 pm

thing is, is a person with a healthy diet of protein, greens, fruits, veggies and all the rest not as healthy as a vegan or greenbean
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:15 pm

I don't belive this. I want to be strong and fit. Would never go vegan to live a few years extra. I would if it made me stronger and fitter. But I don't think it will.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:26 pm

My opinion, RatChet, is that you can eat healthy or unhealthy as either a vegetarian or omnivore. Just beware that vegetarian doesn't mean that you eat lots of vegetables. And eating meat doesn't mean you eat lots of fatty meats with lots of saturated fat and cholesterol. Steak, ground beef, red meats in general--eat less of. Fruits and vegetables--eat more of.

Vegetarianism is primarily about the morality some people have who think it's wrong to kill animals, or religions like the Seventh Day Adventist church who encourage vegetarianism. But if you've decided to go vegetarian only for health benefits, I'd look elsewhere. My opinion is that making drastic changes to your diet, in general, isn't a very good long term strategy. You'll manage for a while, when your mind is still focused on it, but eventually you'll lose your focus.

I'll put it this way, as far as diet goes, vegetarianism is extreme. Vegan is even more extreme. Again, vegan isn't necessarily healthier, you'll see plenty of healthy and unhealthy vegans. But vegan is a highly restrictive diet and therefore you have less options. If you want to increase your health, lose weight, I'd suggest making gradual and moderate changes to your diet. I say the same thing about something like Atkins or The Zone...those are also extreme, radical changes to your diet.

And diet is one of those things that people get obsessed about. Don't be one of those people.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:00 pm

My family is adventest and they encourage vegitarinsim because it is a more healthy lifestyle . I eat meat because I like it and yes many vegans are unhealthy weaklings but I know dozens of bodybuilder types who do a meatless diet . It just takes more planning than just grabbing fast food . I will say though vegan pizza is terrible
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:38 pm

Yeah, I know a few vegetarians. They have to be very careful about what they eat and indeed, one girl I know has gotten to the point where she has added limited amounts of fish to her diet because of low energy levels.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:48 am

Here's a chart of the most bio-available proteins from bodybuilding.com. Basically, the higher the number on the index, the more able the protein is for digestion:

Protein Source Bio-Availability Index
Whey Protein Isolate Blends 100-159
Whey Concentrate 104
Whole Egg 100
Cow's Milk 91
Egg White 88
Fish 83
Beef 80
Chicken 79
Casein 77
Rice 74
Soy 59
Wheat 54
Beans 49
Peanuts 43


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Notice that the most bio-available proteins all come from animal sources.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:28 am

^this^

Bio-availability is ridiculously important when it comes to eating well. Basically, you have to eat twice the amount of peanuts to get the same amount of amino acids into your body with an equal-size serving of meat.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Fri Feb 18, 2011 1:02 am

Gray wrote:
My opinion, RatChet, is that you can eat healthy or unhealthy as either a vegetarian or omnivore. Just beware that vegetarian doesn't mean that you eat lots of vegetables. And eating meat doesn't mean you eat lots of fatty meats with lots of saturated fat and cholesterol. Steak, ground beef, red meats in general--eat less of. Fruits and vegetables--eat more of.

Vegetarianism is primarily about the morality some people have who think it's wrong to kill animals, or religions like the Seventh Day Adventist church who encourage vegetarianism. But if you've decided to go vegetarian only for health benefits, I'd look elsewhere. My opinion is that making drastic changes to your diet, in general, isn't a very good long term strategy. You'll manage for a while, when your mind is still focused on it, but eventually you'll lose your focus.

I'll put it this way, as far as diet goes, vegetarianism is extreme. Vegan is even more extreme. Again, vegan isn't necessarily healthier, you'll see plenty of healthy and unhealthy vegans. But vegan is a highly restrictive diet and therefore you have less options. If you want to increase your health, lose weight, I'd suggest making gradual and moderate changes to your diet. I say the same thing about something like Atkins or The Zone...those are also extreme, radical changes to your diet.

And diet is one of those things that people get obsessed about. Don't be one of those people.

I agree a lot with Gray's post here.

In regards to the part about losing weight that popped up a lot in this thread losing weight isn't about what you eat. It's how much. If you eat more calories than you are burning you will gain weight. Do the opposite and you will lose it. (Just don't dip into the dangerously low calorie levels okay?) Even the FDA just added to its recommendations for Americans to eat less. That's all there is to it. It's no secret. Having a balanced diet though is a whole other story.

Still a good thread though. Very informative.
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PostSubject: Re: Vegan in a Nutshell   Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:53 pm

We can choose what we eat and put in our bodies.


One might choose not to eat anything with a face because it has the potential to evolve into something sentient like humans or beyond. All animals have feels and don't want to get hurt or die just like us.

You can supplement your diet with non-meat protein alternatives although meat is less expensive.

I support the healthy functioning of the body and we really are what we eat as the matter of our food physically becomes us as we turn it into energy.

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