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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:38 pm

OHH I forgot to add the last part to the haymaker rule!


STRAIGHT RIGHT!!!

I have had to use this technique at a bar and I literally KO'ed 2 guys with this.

When you have to fight with your fists use straight punches because most everyone hasn't trained for fighting and will deliver wide shots. The counter to that is straight punches, but you have to keep your chin down.

I use a tennis ball under my chin while training to help my form.If the tennis ball falls at anytime I am not holding my chin down.
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:44 pm

Yah, man!
"Open neck" is very inviting!

...and YES to straight punches!

That is lesson one of my Cardio Karate class!
I show them the rule of foreshortening.

You can see a round punch coming but the straight punch
doesn't but barely show that it is getting closer
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:25 pm

In jeet kune do they believe that throwing straight is the key. They also make you throw so that your body is aligned when you connect. Imagine (excuse my language) if your butt crack continued and totally split your body in half. They want you to throw punches from that line. An illustration in "The Tao of JKD" shows Bruce lee standing square to his opponent and he has a major reach advantage.

It is also taught in JKD that a straight punch has no wind up so it is easier to connect (harder to block).

However in Kenpo you throw punches from the hip line and twist at the waist to generate power. A good overhand right will counter a straight, so you need to watch where your opponents fist starts.
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:50 am

Ah! The dreaded over-hand right!


ALL HAIL BRUCE LEE

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thank you for that lovely buttcrack vision
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:09 am

Throwing punches from the hip line? Cowboy jokes aside, and admittedly having never fought someone of that style, I really can't see how that would be at all successful against someone with a fighting stance holding their hands up in front of them. Twisting at the waist and using your legs to power your hits I get 100%, but having your guard down, I have to question that one.
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:30 am

a bag that hits back

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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:30 am

Nemesis wrote:
Throwing punches from the hip line? Cowboy jokes aside, and admittedly having never fought someone of that style, I really can't see how that would be at all successful against someone with a fighting stance holding their hands up in front of them. Twisting at the waist and using your legs to power your hits I get 100%, but having your guard down, I have to question that one.



Kenpo teaches to start the motion from the hips and let the twist from the hip ripple up and out of the fist.

"Use your hips" is what they shout.

Truly, pushing from the toes is a big part of that too
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:38 am

Oh, oh, oh. I get what is being said now. Yes. That is good, use your body, not just your arms. And Aristeroi, that is awesome, and I want one.
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:03 pm

yeah what flora said

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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:41 pm

I just had those old karate punching literally from the hip moves in my mind.
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:44 pm

Throwing wide? Sounds like he doesn't know how to punch. Power with no focus is no power.

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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:45 pm

It really depends on what you mean by throwing wide. You can generate a lot of power with hooks and casting punches.
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:53 pm

Yeah thowing punches like you throw a baseball will hurt someone pretty bad if it connects. Just have to time what you throw.

A good time to throw a big overhand right is to counter a right handed jab.

Basically you will have you fist down and throw like a baseball. Make sure you duck into it so that your opponents punch goes above your head.
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:28 am

like i said, in hand to hand combat the secret is to get that one good hit in.i have a number of hits to use that are very hurtful.the hammer of the godz punch sure to break a jaw or collar bone , ribs.atomic elbow with smashing effect.altered dimension kicks ...must be restrained ( see pics)
to fight a real fast guy like that , i would fake him out and kick him upside his head with the twisted tornado kick.it has never failed me.it's a one hit wonder!
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:05 am

*blink*
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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:25 am

My personal favorite training device was something called a crazy ball. Basically its a basketball inside a net bag that is attached to a bungee cord that runs from the ceiling to the floor. The ball goes wild when you hit it and you have to really focus to strike it a second time. I would challenge myself to see how many times I could strike it before I lost control of it completely...which usually wasnt that many times. The time I spent training with this has been quite beneficial to me when I needed it on the street as I learned how to spot openings that I would have missed when I was younger.

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PostSubject: Re: So I'm watching this kid hit the bag today...   Mon May 16, 2011 1:11 pm

OK Superhero Have you ever been in a fight with someone twice your own size? I have back when I was 16 and here are the advantages that got me through it

He grabbed me from behind and held onto my hands behind my back thinking that I wouldnt be able to do anything while his girlfriend got ready to clobber me with a wooden baseball bat I sent out my foot and kicked her hand that was holding the bat Then I buttt my head back into his face used my fingers to grab the crotch and pinch hard and my heels went straight into his shins forcing him to let go of me I then kicked him in the groin before making a run for it with my friend who got hit in the back with a small stone that one of them threw at us I then turned when I saw him go down and then charged straight at the guy ramming my head into his chest and while still running I smashed him into the wall knocking all the wind out of him Then when his GF threw another stone at me I moved causing the stone to miss me and hit the wall just beside the guys head I then tried to go back to my friend to see if he was ok but the guy grabbed me again and this time actually lifted me off my feet by the back of my shirt I then kicked her boobs causing her to drop the bat again before she could butt me in the face with it then I turned around and when he made another grab at me I ducked under and came up with Both my fists hitting his chin and then I kicked him in the goin again while my friend went to the police station get help The cop came out and had to ask my friend who he was supposed to help because it seemed like I was holding my own against the bigger guy and his girlfriend because while I was running across the creek a small stone slipped out from under my foot and he slipped on it before falling down on his face in the water and she tripped over him because she couldnt stop in time I then turned the guy over so that he wasnt breathing in water and gravel then the cop came down and took our statements while the guy and his gf were hauled off wearing cuffs I seriously at the time thought I was going to be arrested too because I had to hit a woman but the cop assured me that it was clearly a case of self defence He saw that I was trying to get away from them and only struck back because I was cornered but he had never thought I would have been able to walk away from that fight if he had not seen it while comming because Im not a very big person Im built like Spider-man and I have the habbit of throwing wise cracks while fighting people
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