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E0N

Category: - Crime Fighter
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 | Subject: Spotting lies Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:14 pm | |
| "How to detect lies. Great tips on how to spot a liar" [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]"FBI Agent Explains How To Spot Liars" [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]"Scam School: Detect Lies Like LIE TO ME! - Scam School" [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (15 minutes, but this guy knows what he's talking about) [EDIT... Part II -- [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ) Anything you can find about "Behavioral Symptoms Analysis (BSA)" will probably also be of some help. Unfortunately most of the time you have to pay for that kind of training. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]About halfway down this page you'll find a reference to the Behavior Analysis Interview (BAI): [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Basically the typical cop way to assess honesty is to provoke specific behavior and then analysis the behavior provoked. Anyways.  _________________ - E0N
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Lunar Veil

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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:12 pm | |
| Thank you very much for this information. I have been looking into how to detect lies, as well as the patterns of lying, for a long time now; however, I have had a problem with finding credible sources.
It is a bonus that Mr. Van Aperen was trained by the F.B.I. I would certainly never pass up the opportunity for free government intelligence training. ^_^ |
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Gadgetastic!
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:10 pm | |
| [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Best book on tells I've ever read. And the author (Navarro, not Helmuth) is credentialed out the ying yang. |
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Gauge
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:13 am | |
| The book renowned as the best for poker tells is Mike Caro's Book of Poker Tells. Hellmuth's book is definitely wise, but Caro has made the most intensive study, and has proven his theories in tournament play. Professional poker players swear by it as the tells bible. But even Caro himself will tell you not to rely solely on the signals you get. You have to take in the totality of the circumstances to see if an action is really a tell, a fake tell, or a real reaction to an outside stimulus, such as crossing your arms when lying as opposed to just because its cold. |
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Urban Avenger

Category: - Crime Fighter
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:17 am | |
| _________________ Facebook | Myspace | YouTube | Twitter
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Gauge
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:51 am | |
| Just avoid the resources that claim 100% accuracy, they are full of crap, and experiment with the information you find. Not every tell is present in every person. Eyes give away a lot, and so does the mouth, but even then, we cannot always be accurate. It's not an exact science. An itch on one's chin, a facial tic, or a late night out with the boys can lead us to misread someone with very negative results. |
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Polarman

Category: - Crime Fighter
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:06 pm | |
| Now if its easy to detect the lies when its said to your face how do you detect the lies when its on the internet? |
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E0N

Category: - Crime Fighter
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:07 pm | |
| Content analysis.  _________________ - E0N
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:30 pm | |
| And pictures of patrols in uniform. Lots of pictures. |
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Equal

 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:39 pm | |
| If they don't have a media team, they might be lying. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:12 pm | |
| | Polarman wrote: | | Now if its easy to detect the lies when its said to your face how do you detect the lies when its on the internet? |
| E0N wrote: | Content analysis.
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This is absolutely the only way to determine if someone is lying over the internet. Do their facts check out? Does the person's story square with previous information provided by or about the same individual? Is it even believable? Content analysis will also include shifts in writing style or formality, searches for plagiarism, an increase (or sudden decrease) in spelling or grammatical mistakes, and so on. |
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E0N

Category: - Crime Fighter
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:25 pm | |
| You can learn to do it formally the way a guy who claims he used to be a Mossad agent teaches, but it's not free: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] (okay some information about it is free on that site and others) Normally basic common sense, internal consistency, and suspect phrasing give away internet liars before fact checking ever even becomes necessary. By "suspect phrasing," I mean yeah, there's the sudden shift of wording from a cut and paste or whatnot, but mainly I mean things like people's tendency to shift to passive voice to distance themselves from lies or to use overly elaborate descriptors in an attempt to over compensate for their lies.  Investigation of the facts is the way to be the most sure, but it's usually not worth wasting your time for the extra certainty. _________________ - E0N
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The Anomaly

 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:18 pm | |
| Well, what if I said that I have black hair? Analyze that! |
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Gauge
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:53 am | |
| It's a lie. You started your sentence with the word "well", which can show a lack of assertiveness, and can also be used to give extra time to think up a lie.
You also say "what if I said" rather than clearly stating that you do have black hair. That is a non-committal statement, expressing doubt.
Finally, you challenge us by saying "analyze that!". You are daring us to make an assumption that contradicts your assertion of having black hair. Many people wouldn't do this for fear of being wrong. Although my analysis is based solely on your one post, I have no fear of being wrong (although I realize I may be) and can freely offer my thoughts.
Perhaps you have dark hair that is not black, or you are balding. |
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E0N

Category: - Crime Fighter
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:03 pm | |
| Making a judgment based on 12 words is a bit much, but the logic of identifying phrases used to distance the writer from the lie "what if I said" versus "I have," for instance, is sound. That's the basic premise of SCAN ("Scientific Content ANalysis"). _________________ - E0N
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Gauge
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:27 pm | |
| My conclusion wasn't meant to be serious, just a wild guess. Most bald guys wishing for hair tend to picture themselves having thick, wavy, black hair. If I researched previous posts, I could've made an educated guess. But the Anomaly makes a great point about the reality if trying to analyze a single, written statement.
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The Anomaly

 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:47 pm | |
| It's the truth. I really do have black hair. In fact, my hair is a very, very dark shade of black, none of that dark grey or charcoal colour. And I'm sixteen. Why would I be balding! Never mind. I've seen some young bald people. The post was mostly meant as a joke. To begin, since this is the Internet, saying 'well' would not necessarily mean I'm using it as time, due to the fact that I could think of the lie before I post. In real life? Yes, that could be the case. 'What if I said' is more of a hypothetical statement, like 'If-I-was-a-random-person-on-the-street-saying-this'. The sentence was supposed to be a way of 'lying by telling the truth', which I would believe is something one would do when making a quick statement in order to muddle the other person.
We should do some tests, each of us saying unimportant facts about ourselves, like the shoes we are wearing or what we are doing, and seeing if others are able to analyze it. |
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Gauge
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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:36 pm | |
| You hit the nail right on the head: a random typed statement is near impossible to decipher. If I had taken the time necessary to find your older posts, I seem to remember now that you've stated your age before. I would've come to a much different conclusion. Some people unconsciously use "well" statements even online, but with additional info it is possible to discount that part of the statement. I'm glad you have thick black hair. I'm bald and I would rather have hair (of any color) but my fiancée likes it the way it is, so...
The exercise you propose would be fun. People would probably need to do more looking than I did before coming to a conclusion, or you'll get a lot of hit and miss. |
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JohnDoe

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 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:26 pm | |
| Well, IP addresses and other digital trails could likely be traced to your place of residence. Cross-referencing resources that could be linked to your identity and a little bit of hacking could either lead to your FB page, if you have one, and checking out where you live, having had followed the proper resources, could allow for a little face time. Of course, some people would call that going the extra mile but whatever. |
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The Anomaly

 | Subject: Re: Spotting lies Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:03 pm | |
| This is actually my only online account. I don't like Facebook and MySpace and all that jazz. I mostly browse and read over the Internet. |
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