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Cyph3r



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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:21 pm

Gauge wrote:
It's very difficult and potentially dangerous for police to handcuff a violent offender. Many police injuries occur while trying to handcuff people. So, with respect, I advise against trying to duct tape aggressive persons who are already in an agitated state. You can certainly detain them until police arrive, but the victim is always the top priority. Observe and report. If you must intervene, fine, but once the threat has ended you cannot imprison the assailants. Maybe they were the ones attacked and when you got there they had just gotten the upper hand. Too many variables in most instances, and you don't want civil or criminal charges filed against yourself.


Oh, of course. Duct Tape would be used if I thought that one was threat to others or myself. Reporting is usually what I'm good at. Problem is, if you want to stay in the shadows, how do you do that? Anonymous Tip-offs only go so far, and then that just attracts unwanted attention.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:20 pm

Good luck trying to duct tape a conscious, violent offender.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:22 pm

Those police injuries while cuffing that I talked about earlier? They happen when the offender takes the cuffs and uses them to beat the officer. Use soft tape.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:46 pm

Gauge wrote:
Good luck trying to duct tape a conscious, violent offender.


Didn't say I would be doing it by myself, did I?
Plus, just to point out, you don't know me, so please don't talk as if I know nothing. It's like with most things. I'm better at it than people think.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:49 pm

At what?
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:02 pm

Fighting. The implication was that I would unable to duct tape a concious aggressor. I was saying that I'm better at fighting than people think. Of course, it makes little difference now.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:45 am

Veteran officers have been injured or killed trying to cuff offenders. Your fighting ability may be better than average, and you may not be alone, but desperate people are often unpredictable, it's rarely easy to subdue an aggressive violent offender, and you have no idea how well THEY fight either. I'm not trying to dissuade you or say you can't do the job. Just illuminating some things.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:01 am

This is going silly.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:00 pm

Why is it silly?
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:02 am

Gauge wrote:
Veteran officers have been injured or killed trying to cuff offenders. Your fighting ability may be better than average, and you may not be alone, but desperate people are often unpredictable, it's rarely easy to subdue an aggressive violent offender, and you have no idea how well THEY fight either. I'm not trying to dissuade you or say you can't do the job. Just illuminating some things.


Oh, I agree. People are unpredictable and I wouldn't know everything they could do. Still..occupational hazard. I guess I use my best judgement and hope it works out. If not, living to fight another day, so to speak, isn't a bad option.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:26 am

That's a big part if what it's a out: good judgment. If you have it and can make a patrol plan, you're a step ahead if the other new rlsh out there.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:33 am

Anyway. knowing the police isn't something I should need to worry about for a while.
They probably wouldn't approve, but I don't think I'd be arrested. They're more of a commmunity police, getting to know people, teaching D.A.R.E in schools, and stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:51 pm

I was approached by a cop while on my way back from a snow shoveling job Turns out that he was new in town and thought that my mask was just to protect my face from the cold However it was the first time he had seen anyone actually sit down on a shovel and ride down the stairs and the hill We went and had coffee together before going our seperate ways I explained that in this town I practially wrote the book on snow shoveling Only when a kid did come up to me and call me by my code name did the cop realise that I am the Polarman that he was hearing about
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:11 pm

Wow, sounds like they confiscated it just to be dicks. In my opinion, Cops don't like competition and see us costumed heros as vigilantes and a danger to ourselves and the public. They don't like masks. They don't like costumes. In their minds, they're god. To them, most of us are deemed a threat. They WILL abuse their power in order to get whatever they want. The system is corrupt and we're here to do what can't be done.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:18 pm

There are certainly those in positions of authority who use their power to exploitative ends. The same of policemen can be said of activists, whose only power is derived of their own willful "obsession." That's the human condition; we are all capable of manipulating our resources in a manner which hurts someone in some way, or another.

That being said, you've missed the point of my post if you fancy yourself "competition" to law enforcement. A threat to what, exactly? In what manner do you suppose we would be a threat to the police? I would imagine that many of them look at what we're doing and brush it off as immature child's play, as per the manner in which we conduct ourselves.

That's why it's that much more important that we maintain a level of positivity, or at the very least, neutrality when it comes to the police. In the end, they're only trying to do their jobs. I'd like to think that most policemen join the force because of a sense of duty to their community. Their methods are different from our own, and by society's standards, they have the power of the law; not us.

It would be in your best interest to be mindful of that when you are conducting your patrols, and try to find ways to work within the law, and be more respectful of law enforcement in general. For every bad cop, there are two good ones.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:57 pm

So a third of the police force is corrupt? Smile

That's my joke. Seriously, though, police are not the enemy, and needn't be treated as such. If you only intervene in situations when to not do so could result in the physical injury or death of another person, and otherwise are a good witness and source of reliable infirmation, police will be happy to have you around. The big problem comes in when people with no training try to be crime fighters, and interfere in ways that are dangerous to the person you try to help, as well as to yourself, and creates a hassle for the officers.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:23 am

Gauge wrote:
So a third of the police force is corrupt? Smile


Sorry, perhaps I should have been more specific...

By "bad," I meant innutritious, and by "good," I meant "less fat, more filling."


...I know not this corruption, of which you speak! rendeer
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:49 am

TheEmeraldAvenger wrote:
Wow, sounds like they confiscated it just to be dicks. In my opinion, Cops don't like competition and see us costumed heros as vigilantes and a danger to ourselves and the public. They don't like masks. They don't like costumes. In their minds, they're god. To them, most of us are deemed a threat. They WILL abuse their power in order to get whatever they want. The system is corrupt and we're here to do what can't be done.


That's a really ignorant statement. The majority of police officers are happy to get tips and help and such, provided you stay within the laws.

So unless you actually ARE a vigilante, you have nothing to worry about.
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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:34 am

Crimson Catalyst: I don't think your statement was vague or misleading. I was just having a little fun with it.

Nony: I think perhaps his statement has more to do with frustration than JUST misinformation. People mostly hear about the bad that police do, thanks to the media, so develop a negative perception of the industry as a whole, and all the people in it. They get fed up with all the negative stuff they hear or see happening, and attribute these actions to all officers.

All: As for this incident of confiscation by warrant, it has been established that there is much that we in this forum aren't privy to regarding the situation, and the specific conditions under which the items were appropriated, but there are numerous reasons why these items may have been taken which are perfectly legal, with probable cause and a search warrant. If the police had a warrant, then that means they convinced a judge that there was enough probable cause to search the private residence of a citizen.

Good officers strive to keep the public safe and secure. They seek to improve their community and make it more livable as a result. This means they will try to keep US safe if they see us acting in an irresponsible fashion, or potentially endangering ourselves and others. They're doing their job.

Get training, be a good observer and witness, and only intervene when truly necessary. The police will have your back at almost every turn. That is a mangling of a conversation I had with a retired police union leader, who was an officer for 25 years.


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PostSubject: Re: The Police & YOU!   Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:10 pm

However alot of people think that what Emerald Avenger said about the [police may be true How do you handle the police while visiting other cities or towns?

or say you just moved to a whiole new city with a whole different enviroment You may have to re think your whole patrol routine
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