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Idea Man Caped Crusader


 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:41 pm | |
| | Ironclub wrote: | | You could always get a long-distance microphone and eavesdrop. |
Or plant a bug on him. _________________ "Three assholes, laying in to one guy while everyone else watches? And you wanna know what's wrong with me? Yeah, I'd rather die... so bring it on!" - Kick Ass
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|  | | Bearman Hero In Training Lv. 2


 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:29 pm | |
| Why don't you try texting him from someone else's phone asking his prices and stuff? Might take a few conversations, but you might get him to tell you his source. It'd be a betrayal of trust, but I'd consider it better than manipulation or intimidation tactics.
I understand your willingness to do good, but personally, I think weed is the only drug that shouldn't be such a big deal. Alcohol and cigarettes can physically kill you and cause a chemical addiction. So can all the other big scary ones. But marijuana can't hurt you (unless you make really bad decisions while high) and it can only be psychologically addictive, which falls more under personal responsibility imho. It also isn't harmful to others like cigarette smoke can be. Then again... people can and do lace it with the scarier drugs sometimes... but if its just normal marijuana, I don't see how it can be so problematic for society. It does destroy motivation. And it makes you buy a lot of snacks. But isn't that it? Just seems mean to call the cops on hungry, lazy people. |
|  | | Idea Man Caped Crusader


 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:30 pm | |
| Personally, I do not think that just because a person thinks that a law is stupid, that gives him or her the right to break it. Suppose someone thinks it is stupid that it is illegal kill someone who deserves it. Or something thinks we should be able to drive 100 miles per hour through a school zone. I think that if you disagree with a law, then you should try to change it. But that doesn't mean that you don't have to follow the law while it still exists. _________________ "Three assholes, laying in to one guy while everyone else watches? And you wanna know what's wrong with me? Yeah, I'd rather die... so bring it on!" - Kick Ass
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:48 pm | |
| | Idea Man wrote: | | Personally, I do not think that just because a person thinks that a law is stupid, that gives him or her the right to break it. Suppose someone thinks it is stupid that it is illegal kill someone who deserves it. Or something thinks we should be able to drive 100 miles per hour through a school zone. I think that if you disagree with a law, then you should try to change it. But that doesn't mean that you don't have to follow the law while it still exists. |
If you were to invert your way of thinking, and saw that laws were injust, like if it became the law that everyone must be killed at age 70, but one man broke that law because he didn't agree with it and wanted to survive longer so that he could meet his newborn grandchild, would it still be wrong to break the law because they don't agree with it?
(BTW I'm not disagreeing nor agreeing with you, I'm just trying to open up your mind) |
|  | | Ironclub Newbie


 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:00 pm | |
| | Idea Man wrote: | | Personally, I do not think that just because a person thinks that a law is stupid, that gives him or her the right to break it. Suppose someone thinks it is stupid that it is illegal kill someone who deserves it. Or something thinks we should be able to drive 100 miles per hour through a school zone. I think that if you disagree with a law, then you should try to change it. But that doesn't mean that you don't have to follow the law while it still exists. |
If you're speaking of marijuana, the stuff was given the name "marijuana" by American Gvernment officials who wanted to make the plant sound "more Mexican." They did this because, at the time, racism toward Mexican Americans was very overt and the Government wanted to take away one of their sources of income.
That's right. Marijuana is illegal due to federally-enforced racism. That's it. Nothing else. And "the war on drugs" was just a publicity thing like "the war on terror" was. Not that drugs and terrorism are good things, but health concerns were never a part of marijuana getting it's name and becoming illegal.
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|  | | thanatos Caped Crusader


 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:01 pm | |
| your way too close in your persoanl life to do anything safely. grow ops can be large and if so then possibly run by gangs or equally bad people. if you really want to collect information then TAKE YOUR TIME and just let things happen. as you get info pass it along but keep your name out of it. never confront anyone in your outfit/costume/uniform/tutu that you know. you give yourself away and you could be a a world of hurt if the worng people find out.
while smoking weed dosent sound that bad and the laws someday may change, most marijuana is produced by the gangs to get capital for larger scale operations, weopons and harder drugs. look to see where the money is actually going. _________________ A live human body and a deceased human body have the same number of particles. Structurally there's no difference.
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:02 pm | |
| | DayDreamer wrote: | I understand your willingness to do good, but personally, I think weed is the only drug that shouldn't be such a big deal. Alcohol and cigarettes can physically kill you and cause a chemical addiction. So can all the other big scary ones. But marijuana can't hurt you (unless you make really bad decisions while high) and it can only be psychologically addictive, which falls more under personal responsibility imho. It also isn't harmful to others like cigarette smoke can be. Then again... people can and do lace it with the scarier drugs sometimes... but if its just normal marijuana, I don't see how it can be so problematic for society. It does destroy motivation. And it makes you buy a lot of snacks. But isn't that it? Just seems mean to call the cops on hungry, lazy people. |
Weed can give testicular cancer, and this is kids that are getting it, I know a 10 year old who is smoking.... Plus it has been known to lead to other things, and yes I agree that some laws might not be right, but they are there for a reason.
and no I don't have a partner. It would be nice though ha ha. |
|  | | Idea Man Caped Crusader


 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:12 pm | |
| | Tothian wrote: |
If you were to invert your way of thinking, and saw that laws were injust, like if it became the law that everyone must be killed at age 70, but one man broke that law because he didn't agree with it and wanted to survive longer so that he could meet his newborn grandchild, would it still be wrong to break the law because they don't agree with it?
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The problem with breaking a law because you feel that it is unjust is that any person could feel that any law is unjust for some hair-brained reason. We cannot always trust people to have good judgment about what they should and should not do. That is why laws are needed in the first place.
Like I said, if you disagree with a law then work towards getting it changed legally. But going out and breaking the law just because you don't agree with it sets a bad example. Especially if you devote your life to trying to stop people from breaking the laws with which you do agree. _________________ "Three assholes, laying in to one guy while everyone else watches? And you wanna know what's wrong with me? Yeah, I'd rather die... so bring it on!" - Kick Ass
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:31 pm | |
| | Idea Man wrote: | The problem with breaking a law because you feel that it is unjust is that any person could feel that any law is unjust for some hair-brained reason. We cannot always trust people to have good judgment about what they should and should not do. That is why laws are needed in the first place.
Like I said, if you disagree with a law then work towards getting it changed legally. But going out and breaking the law just because you don't agree with it sets a bad example. Especially if you devote your life to trying to stop people from breaking the laws with which you do agree. |
1- But the people you supposedly cannot trust, are also of the same species of creatures who write those laws. They are as equally if not more corruptible than those without power.
2- There is the whole theory that the good people don't need them and the bad people will break them anyway.
3- I do agree that if one disagrees with a law that they should seek to have it changed.
4- I don't fight crime/evil/bad guys/whatever you wanna call it because it's the law, I fight all that stuff because that stuff is wrong. I don't view it as wrong just because it's the law, I would normally assume it's the law because it's wrong. |
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:55 am | |
| | Shadow_rlsh wrote: | | Yea, I know him personally.. but If I ask him and then turn the info to the police, he'll know it was me and then my whole operation is compromised. I was hoping I might be able to like scare him with my get up. (mask and everything) hoping hell give me that info and record him making a deal and give the recording to the cops.. nabbing him and the grower in one night. ha ha |
It would be better if you tactfully got the info then waited a few weeks before reporting it. Doing it right away would make it obvious you were responsible for the bust.
| Shadow_rlsh wrote: | | he just smokes pot, he helps deal, doesn't grow. So I guess middleman. |
There is a chance if you cut off his link to the pot he might use it less or stop all together, (or he'll just find another dealer for you to bust) in the end you stop the distribution, and maybe even save a friend. Just a thought.
Either way, if you can get info about who is growing from him, you can then drop the Q&A bit with him and a couple months later the guy dealing will be caught and he won't expect a thing. |
|  | | Obsidian Frost Member


 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:47 am | |
| I agree with just about every tactic on this....but i most like the "act like you like it" plot.
Regardless of how much of a buddy he is, youre a super hero now. You must try to do all in your power to stop things like this. It sucks, I know, but that is the price we all must pay once in our lives.
Its like the old ponderable: If you saw your friend steal something from a store, and the security guard fails to notice, would you turn him in? _________________ | TheWhiteSkull wrote: | My car once went into a power slide on some "obsidian frost" on the road. I flipped it end over end and wrapped it around a tree.
Luckily for me, I discovered, thanks to that accident, that I am invulnerable to harm. I also discovered that I was super-strong, as I ripped the passenger door open and rescued my girlfriend.
Oh, wait... that wasn't me. That was the plot to Unbreakable. |
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:46 pm | |
| Obsidian, the difference is now we're starting to talk about big fish-small fish. His friend is commiting crimes, yes, but if the friend's connections can lead to reeling in big fish, then why cut off the source for that information? It isn't about saving your friend's ass. Stop 1 corner dealer and 2 more pop up. Fighting dealers has to be done at the sources, but thats a whole 'nother can of worms... |
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:49 pm | |
| If it's an innocent civilian, don't treat it like a war zone. Be a careful, caring listener and be observant. They don't have to give you information, so no never give up in the fact of thinking outside the box of your investigation. Don't bother this person again unless they're in danger and NEEDS your protection. In an interrogation, the kid gloves are off since we aren't bind by protocol, but we do have to be observant. Use the tone NECESSARY for the situation, and if it comes to shove make sure it doesn't go all the way. It's rough and the rules are strange, but we have the privilege and the responsibility to serve and give the people we help the best possible care possible when they ask for it. |
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:52 pm | |
| K-9, I know that to catch a big fish, you use smaller fish. I was merely addressing the personal dilemma he was having. _________________ | TheWhiteSkull wrote: | My car once went into a power slide on some "obsidian frost" on the road. I flipped it end over end and wrapped it around a tree.
Luckily for me, I discovered, thanks to that accident, that I am invulnerable to harm. I also discovered that I was super-strong, as I ripped the passenger door open and rescued my girlfriend.
Oh, wait... that wasn't me. That was the plot to Unbreakable. |
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:47 pm | |
| I would recommend against trying the popular ploy of pretending you want to buy pot. If your friend knows you don't smoke it, that is an immediate "red flag" to any marginally intelligent person. If you get a meet with his dealer, then the dealer gets busted by cops, your friend will be in danger and you will be a target, too. Also, you do not know if the dealer is already under investigation by police, and could possibly lead to obstruction charges or an arrest for purchasing drugs, maybe with intent to distribute if the amount is large enough. Your best course of action if you MUST do something yourself, is to follow your friend without being seen and record his actions. If you see him purchase drugs, note the time and location, the description of the dealer, the amount purchased, etc. Get video if possible. Give the information to the police and let them do the investigation. The better idea, however, is to simply call the police with your current information and let them initialize their own investigation. If an independent investigation is done incorrectly, it can lead to evidence being thrown out and the offenders going free. |
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:57 pm | |
| All I know is, never start with the head. The victim goes all fuzzy, he doesn't feel the next blow. |
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:13 pm | |
| | TheWhiteSkull wrote: | | All I know is, never start with the head. The victim goes all fuzzy, he doesn't feel the next blow. |
Always start with the feet. If they can't stand, they can't fight. Feet or knees. Or dislocate the hip if possible. |
|  | | NiteWatch Caped Crusader


 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:44 am | |
| You wanna know how to get someone to talk? Try hanging out with him, and then bring up funny stories about weed. Or...ask people who actually know him. Or...get a sample from his own personal Cannabis garden. |
|  | | NiteWatch Caped Crusader


 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:45 am | |
| That or sit next to the kind sir, roll up some grass and smoke de erb. When your high enough, he'll know your serious. |
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 | Subject: Re: need someone to talk... Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:00 am | |
| | Shadow_rlsh wrote: | | yea hes a buddy, but I've been looking for this source, and I'm pretty close. I don't know I might just leave out his name in any evidence. Also as you said though hes also doing illegal things so maybe I should try to lock him up... I don't know. I know I must get this source though... |
Make sure you don't live in one of those places that give more jail time to the associated than the actual dealer. I know in some places, the less info you know, the more jail you get. Just be careful, Shadow._________________ Don't judge my absence of closeness for distaste of you. I'm just a distant kinda girl. | Minuteman wrote: | Well it is the Dark side you can't expect them to have good cookies |
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