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PostSubject: Vigilantism Penalty   Sun May 03, 2009 5:10 pm

I know taht being a vigilante is illegal and I was doing some research on it. I could not find what the punishment was for being a vigilante jsut that it was illegal. I was wondering if anyone knew waht the penalty is. I know it is most likely different in most countries, states, or providences so waht I am looking for is the penalty in the U.S. and to be more specific the penalty for it in Michigan. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Sun May 03, 2009 5:34 pm

Well, let's say that you are cited as being a vigilante by beating up two criminals that you know. You see them on the street, follow them, and then beat 'em down.

1. You might call yourself a hero, the cops will call you a vigilante at this point.
2. This is nothing more then assault, despite what you or the cops might hope.
3. It's very possible that the two you beat down will just walk away.


Let's turn this around a little bit.

You follow these two criminals and find them starting to break into a place - let's just say it's an electronic store. You come in, try to stop them, and wind up the victor. The cops come along and haul all of you to the station.

1. You could be getting in trouble for assault, though you could get away with something like citizens arrest or something like that.
2. The two guys that you took down, if there is evidence to back it up, will go down for a few misdemeanors.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Sun May 03, 2009 7:15 pm

You can get a more complete answer from your state's legal code, found in the stickied "references" at the top of this board.

AFAIK, vigilantism is only a crime if done in connection with something else. Simply wearing a mask is not illegal (exception: Georgia, due to some old klan busting statutes, it's technically illegal to wear a full mask or hood in public that conceals one's identity). Assault, battery, stalking, etc. are. (just taking Raven's example above) Penalties will, of course, vary by state.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Sun May 03, 2009 8:56 pm

Raven wrote:
Well, let's say that you are cited as being a vigilante by beating up two criminals that you know. You see them on the street, follow them, and then beat 'em down.

1. You might call yourself a hero, the cops will call you a vigilante at this point.
2. This is nothing more then assault, despite what you or the cops might hope.
3. It's very possible that the two you beat down will just walk away.


Let's turn this around a little bit.

You follow these two criminals and find them starting to break into a place - let's just say it's an electronic store. You come in, try to stop them, and wind up the victor. The cops come along and haul all of you to the station.

1. You could be getting in trouble for assault, though you could get away with something like citizens arrest or something like that.
2. The two guys that you took down, if there is evidence to back it up, will go down for a few misdemeanors.


Or, the criminals might say you were an accomplice, and then gang-shank you after meeting up in prison.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Sun May 03, 2009 9:49 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Sun May 03, 2009 10:02 pm

Outlaw:

1. Fine point.

2. Please get a new uniform.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Sun May 31, 2009 1:41 am

Assault with a weapon. Got roughly 6 months with good time and time served. No even a little bit sorry. Would do it again too.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:58 pm

If you don't let yourself get caught, what's the problem?

And if you aren't using a deadly weapon there shouldn't be anything to worry about.

Of course... there are those out there that don't know how to run.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:25 pm

Not to stir up drama, but your answer has a distinct smell of overconfidence, Clockodile. I don't know you, so I'm not trying to say anything about your competence as a hero, but basing your entire legal defense on not "letting yourself get caught" seems to be asking for trouble. The more you know that you won't get caught, the more careless you will become.

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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:39 pm

Generally speaking, if you get labeled as a vigilante, then it will be due to actions that you've taken that have gone too far. The real question should be: What actions are "out of line" and would classify me as a vigilante?

In the past, popular cases of vigilantism have been typically decorated with stalking, assault, and homicide (my big book o' knowledge defines it as: a human being killing another human being). Vigilantism is what we are not. We do not kill, we do not beat people up, we are not stalkers, we are not bullies. Our actions may be construed to look like a vigilantes though. Self-defense vs. Assault. Investigating vs. Stalking.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:31 pm

Raven wrote:
Generally speaking, if you get labeled as a vigilante, then it will be due to actions that you've taken that have gone too far. The real question should be: What actions are "out of line" and would classify me as a vigilante?

In the past, popular cases of vigilantism have been typically decorated with stalking, assault, and homicide (my big book o' knowledge defines it as: a human being killing another human being). Vigilantism is what we are not. We do not kill, we do not beat people up, we are not stalkers, we are not bullies. Our actions may be construed to look like a vigilantes though. Self-defense vs. Assault. Investigating vs. Stalking.

I am in Michigan like you and yeah everything that is here probaly was right.
With all do respect intended though,
If you are intending on becoming a Vigilante I wouldn't reccomend it nor support it and neither will your local police.
no matter what you do you will get caught eventually and whoever and whatever you touch will leave evidence ,but that is your choice and your decision.
The best way in dealing with drug dealer's and criminals is to simply call the police and report what you see.
working with the police is like having a entire army at your side and it saves you from having to lose your life or something such as taking down drug dealer's.
I would also advise you that if you are wearing a mask when you call the cops to remove it when they arrivve or beat it and leave because masks are illegal in the state of Michigan and you can google this.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:59 am

Don't jump in unless its something that needs handling right then and there, and there's no cops in sight. Period.

Then its Good Samaritan law all the way. Just follow the steps of citizens arrest for your area.

Or, snag their ID after you whoop them up and you can trail them later, at your leisure. Cause you KNOW they'll be getting into shit later on that you can just drop a tip on.

Trick is finding the douchebags and attaching yourself to them so they can lead you to bigger stuff. In that case, bait patrols work, if you have a willing friend to play the rich, helpless and possibly "drunk" bait, continually dropping their wallet, or simply staggering down the street.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:00 am

The only good thing I can say about the law in my country, is that if I were to perform the act of Vigilantism, I would only get support....right before that guy's 'boys' come looking for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:26 am

A year or two ago, 2 guys attempted to steal someones harvested/processed crop from them. Strong-arm style. While attempting to flee the scene the person that had been robbed shot both subjects with a shotgun.... one he killed, the other could no longer flee. When taken to court, the survivor was convicted of the man-slaughter of his friend. The person robbed had a prescription for marijuana and in California he has the right to defend his home and family.

True story.

I am in no way condoning the actions taken or the course of events. I am merely relaying this information for your' contemplation.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:35 am

Atavistik wrote:
A year or two ago, 2 guys attempted to steal someones harvested/processed crop from them. Strong-arm style. While attempting to flee the scene the person that had been robbed shot both subjects with a shotgun.... one he killed, the other could no longer flee. When taken to court, the survivor was convicted of the man-slaughter of his friend. The person robbed had a prescription for marijuana and in California he has the right to defend his home and family.

True story.

I am in no way condoning the actions taken or the course of events. I am merely relaying this information for your' contemplation.

Wow...should I feel sorry for the robbers? I mean, it's his crop. But In the Bahamas, here, the man would have gotten away with self defense. If it was vice-versa, the robbers/murderers would be granted bail and would be walking the streets doing the same thing. >_< Some of you guys really should come down here and see this actually taking place.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:37 am

About a month ago, a man convicted of murder killed somebody in a neighboring island. He was apprehended by police and shortly after he received bail. He already killed somebody before. We need a hero...me...and some reinforcement.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:01 am

NiteWatch wrote:
About a month ago, a man convicted of murder killed somebody in a neighboring island. He was apprehended by police and shortly after he received bail. He already killed somebody before. We need a hero...me...and some reinforcement.


You should also remember back in '07 and '08 when "Ninety" Knowles was arrested, how many people were pleading for him to be freed. He was a drug lord and a mass murderer. Vigilantism should not be encouraged in some cases. But if someone had shot that guy, I would have probably smiled just a little.

I'm also getting tired of this Flowers guy running this island with gambling and drugs.
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:36 pm

I almost forgot about him, tis a shame the people only liked him because he gave them protection and the like.

Flowers guy? Who's he?
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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:05 am

NiteWatch wrote:
I almost forgot about him, tis a shame the people only liked him because he gave them protection and the like.

Flowers guy? Who's he?


The Bahamian yakuza incarnate.
He started the whole "buying numbers" thing in the Bahamas. He should be ashamed. He's pumping millions into the US that this country needs really desperately. You should see the new office complex he just built on West Bay St. It's a crying shame that he could be in public eye, and not be caught or even touched.


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PostSubject: Re: Vigilantism Penalty   Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:48 am

I think what constitutes vigilantism is breaking the law for what you perceive to be the better good.
Like if I started destroying property or setting fire to meth houses. Granted the house is a criminal house but I can be arrested for arson.

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